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	<title>Comments on: When al queda and the taliban topple the pakistani regime, and seize its nukes, where will be hide?</title>
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		<title>By: Brendon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might point out that the range, number, and proven effectiveness of Pakistan&#039;s nuclear arsenal is nothing compared to ours, or even to its neighbor India, at whom most of those nukes are aimed and were meant for.  Also, Al Qaeda HATES Musharraf&#039;s government; they&#039;re not exactly in cahoots.  We&#039;re providing quite a lot of support to help bolster his government against internal would-be saboteurs, and his military&#039;s effectiveness against them is actually reasonable.  Al Qaeda&#039;s only really shown any kind of longevity or strength in the most remote, pro-Wahabbi enclaves, NOT the country as a whole.  Our interest in Pakistan isn&#039;t only because of its proximity to Afghanistan, but because of its proximity to India, with whom we have pretty good relations... and generally it&#039;s a good idea to keep two friends from fighting, if at all possible, particularly when there are nukes involved.

I don&#039;t think we should be coddling terrorists or villifying our own troops or any of those other things, of course; I just wanted to point out that Al Qaeda makes itself out to be much stronger than it is, and that our media is only too happy to oblige them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Army vet, OIF 1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might point out that the range, number, and proven effectiveness of Pakistan&#8217;s nuclear arsenal is nothing compared to ours, or even to its neighbor India, at whom most of those nukes are aimed and were meant for.  Also, Al Qaeda HATES Musharraf&#8217;s government; they&#8217;re not exactly in cahoots.  We&#8217;re providing quite a lot of support to help bolster his government against internal would-be saboteurs, and his military&#8217;s effectiveness against them is actually reasonable.  Al Qaeda&#8217;s only really shown any kind of longevity or strength in the most remote, pro-Wahabbi enclaves, NOT the country as a whole.  Our interest in Pakistan isn&#8217;t only because of its proximity to Afghanistan, but because of its proximity to India, with whom we have pretty good relations&#8230; and generally it&#8217;s a good idea to keep two friends from fighting, if at all possible, particularly when there are nukes involved.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we should be coddling terrorists or villifying our own troops or any of those other things, of course; I just wanted to point out that Al Qaeda makes itself out to be much stronger than it is, and that our media is only too happy to oblige them.<br /><b>References : </b><br />Army vet, OIF 1</p>
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		<title>By: M G</title>
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		<dc:creator>M G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s Mutually Assured Destruction. No one, including the US, is going to launch a nuke, or everyone dies. And we apologize as long as we don&#039;t feel threatened. We haven&#039;t been in a serious war since WWII. Vietnam was terrible, but they weren&#039;t a real threat. We got rid of terrorists&#039; rights when we were attacked, but now that we took the fight to a far away place, we feel free to apologize.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s Mutually Assured Destruction. No one, including the US, is going to launch a nuke, or everyone dies. And we apologize as long as we don&#8217;t feel threatened. We haven&#8217;t been in a serious war since WWII. Vietnam was terrible, but they weren&#8217;t a real threat. We got rid of terrorists&#8217; rights when we were attacked, but now that we took the fight to a far away place, we feel free to apologize.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: SnowWebster2</title>
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		<dc:creator>SnowWebster2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are tax paying, hard-workin&#039;, gun-totin, bible-thumpin&#039;, a**kicking, better than anything else in history kind of fools.

When push comes to shove, they know to send in Mother Green and her killing machine.

Marines are here for one thing:

&quot;Our morale began to break when the dying Marines kept coming.&quot;
-Japanese survivors captured at Tarawa.

Marines don&#039;t quit until they are dead. And that commitment still holds.  Just show us where they are and let us do our jobs.  That&#039;s all we ask.

Edit in response to poster:  We, the military, don&#039;t make that decision.  Our elected civilian leadership will turn us loose at the proper time when it comes to nukes......&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are tax paying, hard-workin&#8217;, gun-totin, bible-thumpin&#8217;, a**kicking, better than anything else in history kind of fools.</p>
<p>When push comes to shove, they know to send in Mother Green and her killing machine.</p>
<p>Marines are here for one thing:</p>
<p>&quot;Our morale began to break when the dying Marines kept coming.&quot;<br />
-Japanese survivors captured at Tarawa.</p>
<p>Marines don&#8217;t quit until they are dead. And that commitment still holds.  Just show us where they are and let us do our jobs.  That&#8217;s all we ask.</p>
<p>Edit in response to poster:  We, the military, don&#8217;t make that decision.  Our elected civilian leadership will turn us loose at the proper time when it comes to nukes&#8230;&#8230;<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: George R</title>
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		<dc:creator>George R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you should be a politician, here have a cookie, or better yet a star.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you should be a politician, here have a cookie, or better yet a star.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: COTL</title>
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		<dc:creator>COTL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 21:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well thought out and articulated monologue.

First, as a former nuclear soldier, the last thing in the world that I and most of my fellow crewman ever wanted to see was our birds stand on their tails and fly.  It was the Cold War then, and we knew that if we launched, we would certainly be dead within ten minutes of the rounds leaving the pad.  The only question would be the manner of our deaths and by whom it would be accomplished.  We were not afriad to die, we joined with the thought very much in the forefront of our minds.  But, we also knew that our deaths would precede a  million or more people who had done nothing to us and were little different than our own families.

Nukes don&#039;t kill terrorists.  Nukes don&#039;t kill facist regimes.  Nukes don&#039;t destroy enemy governments.  Of the tens of thousands of people (the lucky ones) who were vaporized in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the hundreds of thousands who died from exposure to radiation, the vast majority were innocent civilians, women, children, the elderly.  And, regardless of the fact that Japan surrendered 6 days after the Nagasaki attack, the bombs were not the catalyst for surrender beyond the fact that they only hastened it.  Surrender was coming, Fat Man and Little Boy only illustrated to the empire that the US was prepared to go further than Japan could.

If there were a way to specifically target a nuclear device on those who are actually committing the evil, leaving NO collateral damage, I&#039;d say go for it.  But, there isn&#039;t.  In the reality of war, we still need grunts to slug it out face to face with the enemy.  Most who serve know that going in.  It is the hallmark of their courage.  Please don&#039;t cheapen the gift they offer by presuming a piece of technology can replace it with the push of a button.

Cry for the soldiers we lose.  Weep for the wounded. Cheer for those who return.  Celebrate the sacrifice of every one of them.  But, don&#039;t surrender to panic.  And, unless you have stood watch on the wall yourself, don&#039;t even dare pretend to know the best course of action for those who have and do.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Cold War Veteran, US Army, and proud Pershing 1A and Pershing II Crewman</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well thought out and articulated monologue.</p>
<p>First, as a former nuclear soldier, the last thing in the world that I and most of my fellow crewman ever wanted to see was our birds stand on their tails and fly.  It was the Cold War then, and we knew that if we launched, we would certainly be dead within ten minutes of the rounds leaving the pad.  The only question would be the manner of our deaths and by whom it would be accomplished.  We were not afriad to die, we joined with the thought very much in the forefront of our minds.  But, we also knew that our deaths would precede a  million or more people who had done nothing to us and were little different than our own families.</p>
<p>Nukes don&#8217;t kill terrorists.  Nukes don&#8217;t kill facist regimes.  Nukes don&#8217;t destroy enemy governments.  Of the tens of thousands of people (the lucky ones) who were vaporized in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the hundreds of thousands who died from exposure to radiation, the vast majority were innocent civilians, women, children, the elderly.  And, regardless of the fact that Japan surrendered 6 days after the Nagasaki attack, the bombs were not the catalyst for surrender beyond the fact that they only hastened it.  Surrender was coming, Fat Man and Little Boy only illustrated to the empire that the US was prepared to go further than Japan could.</p>
<p>If there were a way to specifically target a nuclear device on those who are actually committing the evil, leaving NO collateral damage, I&#8217;d say go for it.  But, there isn&#8217;t.  In the reality of war, we still need grunts to slug it out face to face with the enemy.  Most who serve know that going in.  It is the hallmark of their courage.  Please don&#8217;t cheapen the gift they offer by presuming a piece of technology can replace it with the push of a button.</p>
<p>Cry for the soldiers we lose.  Weep for the wounded. Cheer for those who return.  Celebrate the sacrifice of every one of them.  But, don&#8217;t surrender to panic.  And, unless you have stood watch on the wall yourself, don&#8217;t even dare pretend to know the best course of action for those who have and do.<br /><b>References : </b><br />Cold War Veteran, US Army, and proud Pershing 1A and Pershing II Crewman</p>
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